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Joscha Bach Λ Ben Goertzel: Conscious Ai, LLMs, AGI
Joscha Bach Λ Ben Goertzel: Conscious Ai, LLMs, AGI
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“Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal”
Joscha Bach meets with Ben Goertzel to discuss cognitive architectures, AGI, and conscious computers in another theolocution on …
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To remove a tooth you use local anesthesia, this blocks pain transmission to the brain. Anesthetics that work on the brain are like opioids. It is not abot memory.
Imho consciousness is in a scale ie from simple animals to humans. In this definition is to be expected that machines will become superconscius.
My left hemisphere is in love with Joscha and my right hemisphere is in love with Ben. Thanks Curt for being the beautiful corpus collosum. 🧠💖🧠
I can't help but get the feeling that Ben has traversed a bit further into the realms of the mind that Joscha. My favourite parts of this interview are seeing how Ben handles the debate. Ben has experienced the zero point 😂 Joscha would do good to perhaps consider an experience into the mind
Gary Marcus does it for a brand, the whole 'deep learning has hit a wall' stance.
These two NEED to understand each other!!!!
Lol
This conversation demonstrates…VERY clearly…how indispensable a solid understanding of philosophy is to the kind of discussions these two guys are having. Quite frequently they flounder all over the place attempting to elucidate the concepts they're attempting to explore… for the very simple reason that the concepts they're attempting to elucidate lie along the perimeter between experience and epistemology. That very place where meaning itself is born and rises to the level of awareness…and then into rational coherence. Without a solid grounding in philosophy…such ventures are nothing but confusing.
42:00 We dont want to make you drop out of your particular momentisum. Joshua too cute..😊
I once went to a conference on future trends.. Full of the smartest people around… Ben was at this conference and providimg the most intelligent contributions whilst simultaneously coding a unique mnd
This is DR. STRANGELOVE , THE WIZARD of OZ , and Timothy Leary … confessing to crimes against nature … under Duress !
AI or AGI will have one weakness, power consumption.
To be honest, solipsism is true. Joscha, Ben Goertzel, TOE channel, they don't exist. It is all my mind. I am the god of this universe so after I die, everything else is meaningless. At the same time, computation is really interesting phenomena within solipsism. Physics, Chemistry and Biology also interesting. You just found really interesting feature in the video game you play. Enjoy your video game with those fancy features.
Like Joscha said, CLI/Video graphics mapping is kind of 'emergence phenomenon' in science. Also operating system is an emergence too. More deeply, CPU itself is an emergence. They are not that different to biological emergence. 'Abstraction' in computer science is basically about emergence in Physics and beyond.
1:43:45 Ben is absolutely right about the future prediction on AGI evolution. I view this as an inevitable development that nobody can stop and that is wonderful that we will have lots of robots that think in terms of helping the world heal. Engineers are developing them out of passion, curiosity, fun and some out of greed. Most likely nobody is developing them out of compassion to help the world. Most people support this technology out of greed and to have the "upper hand" on world political situations. And out of this setting the base stage that comes from usually lower mind states will then arise the Deus.
1:33:05 I agree with Joscha that those possible scenarios can happen. But I don't agree with him on humans being right now the most intelligent animal species. Whales are way more intelligent than humans at least a number of whales.
1:09:44 – 1:13:00 On creativity and jazz music.. Music is a creative process that illicits an emotional response in humans where timing is also important. If you told an LLM to create music from existing music, that is a basic task. If you hooked up an EEG to humans who were listening to music and recorded that data and trained it on an LLM and then told the LLM 'I want you to create a musical piece combining West African drumming and Western classical that illicits a happy(or sad) response' I think it may produce something closer to jazz, maybe.
If the LLM only took the peak of the song where the peak emotional response was, without the buildup, then the music it produces might not be so good, there has to be some reward system that has value on not just the peak but the buildup and timing, rhythm, etc. This is like multi-modal thinking models right? If A=B and B=C then A=C but in geometry and in thinking, some information is lost when you only think in one way.
5-15 für ASI 😀 mhhhhh what a time to be alive…… maybe we will be the last humans… 😀
Shshshs. Let Go. The documentary "Colossus: The Forbin Project (PG) 1970 is happening today.
theres such a qualitative quantum leap from the despicaple clownshoe Neil deGrabbTyson , to these informed gentlemen here,-
excellent par excellence
I know you've been trying to get Bach and Kastrup together but has there been any momentum or light?
If all is computation, what's being processed?
i show up for Joscha
Wow, fantastic conversation! Listened through it in one sitting. Loved both of these guys for a while and it was definitely a treat having them hash out some of their ideas together. Thanks TOE!
Ben's a freaking Genius, joscha's close behind.. ✍🏽
This was awesome. I admit I had to pause many times. I was so proud of myself I could follow Joshua’s opening without hitting pause! What a mouth full! Lol. But Ben’s response was nothing short of “Qabalahic”. “Why the good guys usually win” or as I once read in an 80s Science magazine “It’s not the good guys finish last. Good guys last longer!”
Larry Greenblatt
Self-reflexive
Even a PCB the size of the entire universe, and with the fastest components, even quantum computers, will never be conscious. Creating consciousness is the same as creating all of existence.
Insinuate
Ben goertzel is a crackpot sorry to say
Sardonically u say? My that certainly escalated rapidly
Ben is arrogant. Asking for an explanation is normal.
The way curt let's the conversation flow but without faltering is so cool.
1:24:07 Joscha thinking in German accent: 'Ze fucking hat man…"
Amazing conversation, thanks very much for sharing!
Joscha is a hardcore Materialist here!
autism.
If you really scrutinize the implications of Turing equivalence it's obvious that everything everywhere–in any conceivable continuum–can be modeled computationally.
I like Ben, but he's still struggling with this truth. Joscha is already there.