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Should You Use SSD In Your NAS? LET’S TALK
Should You Use SSD In Your NAS? LET’S TALK
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Can you discuss the issue most ppl have – I have a bunch of HDDs from multiple 1GB up to one 10GB … should I move all the data from the "small" disk to the largest disk ?
QNAP TBS-h574TX has an SSD nas with CORE I3/I5 so no cpu cotterlneck.
One thing I had noticed on storage forums and reviews is that SSD's tend to fail without much or any warning. Usually a controller failure. Compared to HDDs, which more often seem to give some warning signs as it's a mechanical device. Of course I've seen HDD's just outright fail too but seems a bit less common.
Pretty sure if you get a 66TB SSD NAS in the size of the 4 bay he's pointing at, you're gonna get quite a lot of noise out of that too, simply because of the cooling required.
I have two 1TB NVMe SSDs for read/write cache RAID 1, they make it fly, my spinners are two HGST 250MB cache CMR 7200 RPM 8TB helium drives in RAID 1, it's all in an Asustor AS6702T Gen 2 this little NAS gets up and goes, oh it has 16GB of RAM as well.
why don't they speak in normal English ?
hope now that the nand cartels reduced production to pump up the prices, china will try to catch the market share with cheap high capacity ssds, do not care if they are a generation or two behind speedwise,, and even the most high end ones can die suddenly… would like to consolidate all my external drives and all the drives from my household /5-6 pcs and laptops, two tablets and 4 cell phones/, a while ago the biggest capacity ssd was 100TB in 3,5" form factor and SATA interface /Nimbus ExaDrive/, available on a case to case basis for 40000 USD approx, now you can buy U.2 having 60TB and nvme 4 interface for 4600 usd in murica and even in germany for 5200 EUR, would like to have an affordable alternative for a private person, samsung might reveal 256TB in U.2/U.3 as a proof of concept soon….. would have two in different places and third copy scattered on rotational drives additionally, not even considering myself a datahoarder but 100-120TB is the current need for storage and times 3 for proper backup and add some units for raid redundancy and some space for the near future and we are going towards petabytes of data….. the revival of optical drives from china that can accomodate 200TB on a new gen "DVD" kind of medium looks promising if the price is right and writing it does not take half a year or so. of continuous writing….
Silence is golden and seagulls suck 😅
This video couldn't have came a better time for me. I'm just about to "build" a NAS for my companys webapplication for storage and I needed a few more ideas why we should buy a Synology NAS with SSD caching and not just hard drives. Spot on!
Barley hear other guy
I want to see Pcie-e HDDS with dual/ quad heads
i have many olde pcs how i make a hybrid nas tower as cheaply as possible….. with stuff i already have…..NVME m.2 + HDDs + sata SSD ? VIDEO
The HDDs noise…Why Synology runs OS on HDDs, it buzes the first drive all the time. Can i set OS to primarily run only on SSD in 2nd bay. For example I have a nas for backup, does backup and keeps HDDs on untill shutdown, no apps installed, hibernation set to 1h, if shorter it cycles THE drive, so noughty Clean DSM install, no errors, HDD hibernation is useless in this case for main drive.
Ssd for Cash,
I went for a different hybrid solution : my old DS2015XS+ fully loaded with 16TB loud cheap WDs in the garage for backup and big data I do not need dayly. It is off 6/7 days only on for the weekly backup session. Then a DS1522+ +10Gb NIC fully loaded with 4TB Samsung SSDs which were €180 half year ago for 24/7 data , media, etc. Both run SHR configs 1 disk redundancy.
If I wanted to migrate to SSD in my 4 bay u it, could I start by simply swapping out 2 hard drives with 2 SSD’s ?? And eventually get to all 4 SSD’s . I am configured with Synology RAID
I am shopping for silence. Can't take the noise any more. Budget looks to be $2K US to get some silence too LOL.
I used an older desktop computer with 3 NVME SSDs, and installed True NAS on it for my home NAS about a year ago. 2 SSDs for data storage, and one as the boot drive. It works great, twice as fast as the QNAP system I was using before. And it's never crashed. I use it primarily for backing up and syncing files on my 3 other computers. I have a 1 Gbps ethernet network and I get about 90 Mbps transfer rates to/from the NAS, which is just fine for my needs. If you have an older desktop computer sitting around, this is an excellent way to put it to good use.
I learned the hard way how noisy large hard drives are. When my WDMyCloud stopped receiving updates, I bought a Synology NAS with 2 x 10 TB drives by Seagate. The WD was pretty quiet in my bedroom but the Seagate drives are very noisy, so much so that I had to hibernate them during the night. Noise level is probably twice that of the 2 TB WD drives I had in my old NAS.
A NAS can live in the garage so silence is not really an issue.
To anwser whats inside of my home nas (not corporate storage):
– hot storage – based on samsung 8tb sata drives x12 – giving me a healthy storage plate for anything that I need and place to backup to with decent performance.
– cold storage – based on WD enterprise 20tb x 16 drives (yes those are loud as hell) giving me years of backup dumping ground, slow but why do I care if shifting backup from hot to cold is a background task that is not a linear copy leveraging spinning rust strong point.
It's actually quite funny how people keep fixating about having faster storage in their NAS, spending thousands of pounds / dollars – and then just plug it to the network with 2.5Gbe network …
personally i stick to drives because in a array and the whole system limited to only 1gbit 5 drives are fast enough. hdd making around 150mb to 300mb in a sec so 3 to 5 drives are fast enough if you consider the file transfer overhead of up to 10%. ok ok i see drives have one big problem this is response time and iops but for personal use this does not really matter. i use a 5 array with one parity. i use my server over the network with my phone or my laptop. i also have other services running on my server besides a nas they all accessing the drives constantly. my personal home internet connection is only 100mbit so there is no advantage having a ssd on my home network there is only a 1gbit switch and my router is also 1gbit but can handle intern only 300mbits but this does not matter i dont use the internal switch. also my drives spinning constantly now over 7 years i had only one failure and this was not the disk array it was the ssd i use for my os on the server. but i always have a 1 to 1 copy of that drive in case something goes wrong and so a had only change the drive and reboot again and every thing was back online.
Power consumption is an issue, particularly in the UK, where we are at the mercy of the energy companies and the government in their pockets. Also, how often is a nas accessed, particularly in the dead of night. Another important factor is the type of data you are storing. Many people get hooked up on raid this, raid that, zfs etc etc. SSD's may not be as well suited to a parity or other raid sysyem because of the write overhead, but based on what data you have, do you even need raid? There is the saying raid is, not a backup, so you backup important data and use something like mergerfs to store less important stuff. If you're fortunate enough, have a tiered sysyem, one on-demand server with spinning rust for your vast arrays, and a low power all ssd sysyem for most access. Sync between the two. This way, you already have 2 copies of your data, coupled with an off-site backup of the most important data. I find it difficult not just from an energy standpoint but from a common sense point of view to justify running a 24 or 48 bay nas 24/7 for occasional access. There is an argument for a server that does multiple duties like pfsense, unifi, but those things will run happily on a low powered ssd rig.
We should not forget SAS/SSD´s, internet is full of 2nd hand 3.84TB ssd´s from enterprise storage solutions (3-Par, Primera, NetApp, PowerEdge etc.), they draw 3.9W each and most often have 98-99% life left when you buy them cheap. Reformat to 512 sectors and voila! It would be very interesting to have more SAS/SATA 2.5" only NAS reviews.
Forget it – its SSD's from now. Smaller, faster, easier less expense in electricity, more eco-firendly. Home users need not consider any longer. Everything else is a mistake. Shops, enterprises etc. can consult the experts.
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In DS218+ I have two Intel D3-S4510 SSDs. Copy to HDD. WordPress after switching from HDD to SSD is impressively fast
Its all about the speed SSD's and Nvme are great "BUT" your nas needs a minimum of a 5gbe port or 10gbe to bother. The newer standard of 2.5gbe is still old mech HDD speeds so i still call out to all NAS manufactures that 5 or 10gbe eithernet is the MINUMUM dont sell products advertising SSD;'s or NVME slots when they come with 2.5gbe or even 1 gbe ports.
Too much abstraction. Unless there's automatic tier management, its too hard for the home / small business user. You want SSD's for your documents and databases, HDD for non-editing video and backups.
What you probably want is something with lots of capacity and connectivity. Sadly these days, that means an Xeon-W, Threadripper or X79 type setup if you're not buying a dedicated server. You want x16 for an SSD carrier and at least a x8 slot SATA HBA (if you don't want to go through the chipset), and a 25Gb+ NIC card (x8 slot).
Just finished the 4th iteration of my server/NAS#3. Last two HDDs have been evicted, 14 consumer SSDs, 2 u.2 intel nvme drives. 62TB raw, ~50TB usable and I don't regret it. I do have a 5 bay HDD NAS by definition 36TB usable, powered down most of the month, comes up just for syncing and a scrub. I hate noise and I love watching my 10gbe network get saturated. PS – ASUS screwed up the design of their all m.2 NAS. That should have had either a PLX or Asmedia PCIe lane switch in it.
Did a seagull poop on you when you were a kid?
I am going to get some ssds just for the randoms
Last year Amazon had the 4TB WD Red SSDs for $150 each. Picked up 6 of them for my 1821+. Also picked up an Intel D3 S4610 to record surveillance footage on. Huge speed difference and SSS runs much better. Also, after swapping fans with noctuas, the 1821+ is nearly silent now (apart from PSU) so could put it in the living room without noise bothering anyone.
I personally like the sound of HDDs in a home scenario, BUT I’m only using 4x 6TB WD REDs.
Sorry SSD's just are not able to give the space …. you can't buy 24tb SSD's at any price
0:10: 💽 Debate on populating NAS with SSDs versus hard drives, with one advocating for SSDs and the other for hard drives.
3:04: ⚙️ Hybrid storage as a cost-effective alternative to SSDs in NAS systems.
6:08: 💽 Importance of SSDs in enhancing hard drive performance for web servers.
9:33: 💾 Long-term data retention favors hard drives over SSDs due to potential data loss from lack of power.
12:25: 💾 SSD prices dropping, making them more cost-effective compared to hard drives.
15:59: 🔇 Silence is a key benefit of using SSDs in NAS setups, providing both external and internal performance.
18:29: ⚙️ SSDs gaining popularity in NAS systems due to noise reduction and increased storage capacity.
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I don't really get the lure of putting SSDs in a NAS when a five bay NAS with HDDs will hit transfer speeds that can choke a 5GbE link never mind anyone still on 1/2.5GbE. I'm not saying it won't benefit some people but most people aren't spending thousands on their NAS setup so the benefit of SSDs is still very niche (at least in the home space).
four months ago ssd are cheap! now keep the hardrive
I kinda see the arguments regarding the noise of a NAS equipped with loud hard drives if the NAS is on the desk next to one's workstation but that is a worst case scenario. Modern Pro NAS drivers are rather quiet. I have a 10 gigabit network at home so my 10 gigabit equipped NAS can be 15 ft away from my workstation in an open rack (buy a closed rack is noise is a concern). It is a 6 bay with 7200 rpm Iron Wolf Pro drives (and is paired to an identical unit for backup). Noise is not an issue. I ran my previous NAS and NAS backup units under my desk and again, noise was never an issue. Speed is not an issue because I am using 6 drives and I see peak performance of around 700 MB/s. If I need something faster than that for work files then I'll use my workstations internal M.2 storage and then bulk copy the work over to the NAS once I am done. This video should have been full of benchmarks for noise, performance, etc. As there were none this is a lost opportunity. The author rarely benchmarks anything beyond Plex so who is he to comment so stridently regarding noise. I've never had an issue with NAS specific drives when it comes to noise and I've been them since the first Western Digital Red drives came on the market. I recommend the author setup a 6 bay NAS, equip it with 6 large Iron Wolf Pro 7200 rpm drives, attach it to a 10 gigabit network and then go to town on the performance and audio level testing.
SSD is still 5x the cost. Not worth it for a home user. You can get the performance with standard hard drives other ways. Many people are still going SSD though, which is helping keep standard HD prices low. Thanks for the deals! I can store the same amount for 1/5th the cost.
I go hybrid: my 16 bays are 10 rust, 6 flash. they are completely separate zfs pools; the ssds are served as iscsi / VM storage / git repos while the rust is meant for media / Plex. plus using zfs you can leverage NVMe to accelerate the pools in a variety of ways. fully committing to flash or rust has too many compromises
iv got 6 2.5in 250gb ssd's as a read right pool i managed to burn through 1 set in little over year but this is me righting the whole drives worth 2-3times full per week ish
My regular NAS has 4 spinning disks. I wouldn't put in SSDs unless the NAS unit was designed for it. For instance utilizing ZFS for tiered storage or segmenting shares based on usage characteristics.
There was some misinformation about how long the data will stay in SSD vs. HDD if left unpowered. HDDs will not hold data for 50 years like claimed in the video. The situation with HDDs is similar to SSDs where the data will have to be refreshed every couple of years to keep it intact
I had an Intel NUC 8 as my TV PC and a mini-tower PC (mATX mobo) as my Plex server. The NUC had a NVME 1GB SSD and the Plex server had three 6TB 3.5" HDD's with a NVME SSD for the OS. The HDD's cost about $150 each when I bought them in 2020 and 2021
The NUC was on the TV stand and the HDD based Plex server PC was a few feet away in a semi-closed cabinet.
I let the PC with the HDD's run 24/7. If I wasn't watching TV or a movie I could hear the HDD's. I ended up turning it off when not actively using it.
I made a combined TV PC and Plex server in a Cooler Master Elite 110 SFF case with a Mini-ITX mobo and five 4TB SATA SSD's. It is small enough and quiet enough to place it on the TV stand. It has five low noise fans in it. I only hear the fans when it's running software like Handbrake. When I bought the 4TB SATA SSD's in 2022 and 2023 the average price I paid was around $200 each. Silence is sometimes worth the extra price!
thanks, lovely discussion. I think it is all about the use case… if you are a crazy video editor 8k etc… well.. ssd… for me it is not the case… my nas will be used as a glacier solution for family photos, videos + few local small VM + few containers… for that i find having large HDDs still being the best case ONLY if they are proxied by few SSD (mirrored) to catch the "heat" of the moment when people(aka familiy) are throwing their videos/photos in panic mode… and then slowly redistribute it to the HDDs in the backend… then spin them down… with the prices of ssd going down i will most likely move a tier of SSD up and will go with 2-4 ssd with up to 4 tb per drive… plus bunch (4-6 HDD) in the backend for mass storage.
Crap… I have 6 in mine, didn't know it wasn't the time yet… 😂😂😂😂
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