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Talking about What We Left Behind
Talking about What We Left Behind
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“SFDebris Red”
In a weird moment, Chuck provides a stream of consciousness reaction to the DS9 documentary ‘What We Left Behind.’
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It really sucks that DS9, the BEST Star Trek show, is so unappreciated.
Your old-man-on-the-internet card is showing. I just like your content and thoughts. Don't need to like DS9 to enjoy what you have to say about it
4:44 You absolutely nailed it with this point. It’s given me a lot to ruminate on – thank you! 🙂
17:10
That Lloyd Bridges joke made me laugh so hard the rest of the house woke up
This one was hard to get through, just because it's your blue sun logo for 20+ mins.
Maybe a few freeze frames would have been easier for the audience?
Just some hopefully helpful criticism.
The documentary made me appreciate Rick Berman more especially hearing the Season 8 storytelling. Instead of him being the conservative obstruction, it made me realised that DS9 was the balance between writers who want to go outside the box of Star Trek and people who made sure the spirit of Trek is maintained. DS9 pushed the boundaries of what it is to be a Star Trek show without crossing the line. Hearing season 8 story without the restraint that the likes of Rick Berman gave was illuminating because it sounded awful of writers wanting to write things to be cool, shocking/subversion of expectations while ignoring the established setting and spirit of Star Trek
I was driving one time and a local guy talking on the radio said, "Magic bullets are for werewolves. In the real world there are no magic bullets, just no easy solution if there were we would already be doing it."
Honestly, DS9 is my favorite series of all the Star Treks.
And this right here is why it's really sad Chuch (and many other Trekkies) don't play and aren't willing to try Star Trek Online.
Because you get Season 8 of DS9 (with almost a full cast) and you as the main character. And it's called "Victory is Life" in STO.
It's also the last appearance of Aaron Eisenberg. And now there is a ship class named after him with U.S.S Nog being the first ship of this class.
@25:29 — “spinning blue sun” is a lame way to refer to an F-type star. Just say it’s an F-type star. everyone listening is a nerd on some level, and the astronomy nerds DEEPLY appreciate correctly naming the type/classification of stars. Trust me. Though it’s hard to get a full-spectrum reading of it; this might be an A-type star if it’s missing sodium and magnesium, but also has a lot of calcium in the emission spectra (all of which depends on the age of the stellar nursery that birthed this star).
m/
It's an OK documentary. It has too many clips of Drumpf and whining about his policies. I didn't turn on a Star Trek documentary to listen to a bunch of Hollywood people preach to me about how evil Donald Trump is, I turned it on to learn about the tv show. He was not related to DS9 when it was being made in the slightest.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 🙂 This was a nice rumination on a wonderful documentary.
I struggled with "What We Left Behind" – so much so I couldn't even watch all of it. I get that it's a retrospective/speculative, but what I watched of it came across as an overly self-indulgent circle-jerk.
And I felt a little bad for Avery Brooks. Guy just looked like he wanted to play his piano.
Captain Nog on the Defiant. His crew including Ensign Harry Kim.
Loved DS9, but I didn't like their take on the Mirror Universe much.
How could people say DS9 is bad because there’s no exploration when a good chunk of the show is charting and exploring new planets in the recently discovered Gamma Quadrant?
And this is why Sisko was the best Star Trek captain.
I do believe people (not just fans) will be able to appreciate DS9 with the same kind of nostalgia they have for both TOS & TNG. As for Voyage? Ptooey, leaves a bad taste in my mouth!
Yay! It sounds like you enjoyed What We Left Behind as much as we did.
Your appraisal of Jadzia? "Stop being a dick, you're better than that." You just perfectly summed up Curzon, the previous host.
I didn't realize this was released in 2018. I thought it was something that was released shortly after season 7. The fact that the cast and writers were willing to come back to this two decades later is a testament to how great the show truly was. DS9 is what Trek should aspire to be; if people don't consider it to be Trekky enough, that's because Trek often fails to meet these aspirations.
One of the things I didn't like about the hypothetical season 8 episode they did, was Bajor staying out of the federation, and the writers acting like that was obviously a good thing.
"Andrew Robinson aka Garrick."
Sorry but to me Andy Robinson will ALWAYS be "Scorpio" from "Dirty Harry."
Yeah, I'm old.
As a longtime Star Trek fan I still think that DS9 was the overall best Star Trek series.
Yeah Greivoux also wrote Underworld iirc
I love this doc, nice memories and a great love letter to a great show
25:45 – Force of habit.
11:30 and just another proof canadian Degrassi is far more mature than shows in the US that were meant to be made for older audiences.
This channel is full of “weird moments”.
I love Hot Shots! Part Deux. 😄
I never thought of Kiera as a terrorist . . . More like freedom a freedom fighter in France during the German occupation of WW2.
BUT . . . Her actions in Return to Glory do remind me of a man whose house kept getting broken into. . . . He set up a trap and killed the people who kept breaking in.
She might not have intended to kill them when they were helpless, but seemed open to the possibility of some dying in the process.
That episode actually shows her to have a monstrous side that seems shocking.
Tricking people that were not threatening them is not heroic or noble.
Trek was about exploring the human condition with space as a backdrop. That is and always was the soul of Trek. It's not starships or technobabble.
DS9 is far more bingable today in streaming than a lot of new shows designed to be binge watched. A good combination of continuing story line, with well plotted episodic stories. You can watch episode back to back and watch the story grow, but not feel trouble stopping when you are tired.
DS9 is peak Star Trek imo.
Slava Bajor!! Slava Ukraine!! Slava Israel!!
I enjoyed this. Thank you very much. 🙂
I don't find it difficult to get why you could just ring those names of one after the other, you've been seeing Written by… and Story by… for more than 2 decades at this point.
Kevin Grevioux also made the Underworld series, inspired from the bigotry he endured when he was in an interracial relationship.
Not watched your video yet (Only just clicked on it). But imho I love What We Left Behind.
I bought WWLB on disc when it came out and was disappointed to find that it was region locked.
One of the most forgotten steps about fixing various societal problems is periodically checking on whether implemented solutions are actually getting good results, and changing course if they don't.
Too many people in politics and activism only pay attention to the upfront dopamine rush of "I did something to help!!!!!", and ignore the result of "The cure was worse than the problem and we are no better off now at best.".
And then when you try to tell them that there are other options instead of doubling in tripling down on the same solution, you get called names.
What's the dictionary is woefully behind taking those epithets and adding the definitions "disagreed with someone, especially a politician, pundit, or activist" and "isn't toeing the political line demanded by ideologues".
I love these side tangents. The One about Worf and Honor is one of my favorites.