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The Drydock – Episode 304 (Part 2)
The Drydock – Episode 304 (Part 2)
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“Drachinifel”
00:00:00 – Intro
00:00:33 – What are your thoughts on the career of Admiral George Rodney? Especially the criticisms about prize money chasing.
00:04:28 – How complicated was refitting the Standard’s after Pearl Harbour?
00:08:17 – During WWII, did American dive bomber doctrine change in…
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About air group coordination- the us navy HAD the theory- , but peace time practice with set piece attacks didn’t work out in the real world. Launch rates and loiter time to form up was a big problem and resulted in air groups getting separated ( and in some cases, lost)— but consider that when the fighters did form up with the TBD’s ( I think this was the Yorktown squadrons). – the TBD’s didn’t set slaughtered to the last plane
304, I think the battle crusier Daedalus may need to be addressed.
Can you please make a video on the town class light cruiser of 1910
RE smuggling. This may be outside your sphere, but do you ever plan to address the large-scale smuggling of alcohol into the US during Prohibition? Large numbers of British, Canadian, and French vessels participated in this trade, which the relatively weak and underequipped US Coast Guard struggled to contain. International rum-running led to all sorts of ugly diplomatic complications, especially between the US and Britain. There were a number of controversial and violent incidents between the USCG and rum-runners of foreign registry. The 1929 case of the Canadian schooner "I'm Alone," which was sunk by the USCG when it was outside the 12-mile limit, was particularly infamous. Prohibition greatly stimulated the development of fast small craft. Elco, famous for building PT boats in WWII, built fast craft for the rum-running trade. I was also wondering what role, if any, the RN/RCN and coast guards of Britain and Canada might have had in all this.
Re artillery from landing craft… At the Normandy landings the Br and Cdn army's 24-lb priests provided harassing fire on their run in to the beaches.
British SP artillery "shot themselves in" on D-Day. I think Americans M-7s did as well. It wasn't about hitting a specific target, it was about keeping German heads down.
23:57 "This tank being deployed" you've got to be joking. I get it that you are a Navy Man first and foremost but how do you not know what tank this is? (Just to be clear I its your vid I am just poking fun, but still this design is not that obscure, at least last I checked)
On the 'tanks in landing craft' question, I did find the following:
Hall had also formed a second "fire support group," consisting of landing craft to which bombardment rockets and small-caliber guns had been affixed. These vessels had shallow drafts and could therefore approach their targets more closely than larger warships, even the nimble destroyers. In fact, this group held the daunting missing of landing U.S. Army tanks on Omaha Beach at H-Hour by means of sixteen LCT(A)s (landing craft, tank armored) recently handed over by the Royal Navy to the Americans and specially modified with extra armor and raised platforms allowing embarked Sherman tanks to fire as their craft headed for shore. Omaha Beach – Joseph Balkoski
I have no idea whether this scheme actually worked. It's very hard to find out any information about the close in fire support group, other than the well established fact that the LCRs completely missed hitting anything useful.
Apparently Captain Lorenzo S Sabin Jr commanded the gunfire support craft of the US Navy's Eleventh Amphibious Force at Omaha Beach – he notes that the group was assembled so late in the process that training was greatly inadequate. See: Omaha Beach: A Flawed Victory by Adrian R. Lewis.
My guess would be that the LCT gunfire support was poor, as it would have been severely affected by the waves moving the LCT and hence moving the tanks so even with direct visibility the odds of hitting anything useful were not great.
I did, however, find the following:
There was a loud bang in my right ear, and I turned to see an LCG [landing craft, gun] blazing away with its 4.7 inch guns and scoring direct hits on the pillbox. I wished it could have stayed longer, but it disappeared as quickly as it had arrived. Sub-Lt Jimmy Green, Royal Navy 551 Assault Flotilla, Embarking Company A, 116th Infantry. [also in Balkoski's book].
Note that there were British units helping to land US troops at Omaha Beach, not something that's widely known. This quote suggests that some of the modified landing craft (a LCG is NOT carrying a tank so they are different) could be accurate even under the conditions of fairly high surf present at Omaha Beach. Not sure how to reconcile my expectations with this information that contradicts them. More data needed …
There was also a group of landing craft carrying howitzers (M7, 105mm, self propelled) and apparently expected to use these on the trip in, but not attached to Sabin's command (again, from the book by Lewis). I have no data on these, other than a note that they were to cease fire when the first wave was 1000 yards from the beach, then turn back out to sea, and circle until their designated landing time.
1:03:00
This makes the Altmark incident almost simple by comparison.
On the smuggling question: Where did Churchill get all the French wine? Was it all pre-war stocks?
00:25:15 The Royal Marine Armoured support Rgt. had landing Craft Tanks LCT which were initially configured with a raised ramp to allow aimed fired from above the well deck of the LCT, the Centaur IV had their engine compartment vacated and used for additional ammunition stowage, however Gen. Eisenhower observed the LCT is a Solent training exercise and order a rethink, and the motors were re-installed (or more likely the engine-less tanks were replaced by still intact spare tanks, lots of redundant Centaurs knocking about ), the ramps were removed which massively improved stability, the LCT Mk IV then took the various RMASR tanks to the various landing beached and photos of them are seen around Tilly Sur Mere, and there are two representative Centaur IV one at Pegasus bridge and another which is a mock up made from a Centaur dozer and turret from a Cavalier.
There is an article in Tracklink magazine which cover a sunken LCT of RMASR which is c/w the raised ramp but I don't think it that LCT2428 which sank at Lee of Solent on June 5th 1944 so maybe Drac. can appraise himself of it next time he is a Bovington.
Regarding salute firing; where one can make a blank fire case for a single piece ammunition gun, Separate charge guns can not be fired without a projectile.
When my 155mm field artillery battery where called on to fire a salute at one point, we simply fired live shells onto our regular target area.
If this happened, my guess is that the order to fire a salute was passed on somewhat haphazardly, resulting in the main guns being fired without a safe target.
Operating an enemy vessel: When I was on USS John F. Kennedy (CVA-67) in the early 1970s I was nominally assigned to be the radar technician on the 'prize crew' because I was the only ET on board who knew any Russian. Nobody took it seriously; it was just a box that needed to be checked.
A railway gun firing while on a train ferry would probably crack the ferry down the middle capsizing it.
Regarding the Trent Affair (1:03:04), Abraham Lincoln wanted the problem to go away/wanted to deescalate, and is quoted as saying, "One war at a time."
This is where I think I need to disagree with Drach.
At least with the Medium Tank, M4, I think the answer is still no, but not for the given reason. The thing is yes, the tank could be aimed. a quadrant sight on the breech inside the tank would allow for indirect fire.
Not sure there's much point of using the main gunner's sight in the roof, but it is there.
I think the issue is gun elevation here. I don't think even the 75mm has the elevation to make much of it. Combined with the whole shooting from a moving platform in three dimension against anything even close to a point target?
Not sure it's worth it. I'd also ask about the water proofing, how they were set up for transport. I'd doubt even volley firing the entire complement of the vehicle would do anything other than alert the other guy you're coming.
GMC, M7 I think is largely the same. They could volley fire, area suppression at absolute best. These vehicles move far less dramatically than ships do. At least in comparison. I'm yet to see a tank handle mid Atlantic storms.
I’m remarkably sober. “More power more space” counts as square cube. Where the vodka? Square cube is the law. Probst
I did not know Rodney was a person…
Smuggling brought some bananas to Scotland.
The sailor gave one to the family next door.
00:00:33 this idea of no social safety net is B.S. an educated man such as a naval officer is hardly incapable of finding future employment and I'm pretty sure 'half pay' wasn't that onerous, unless you were disabled like Nelson and even then Nelsons injuries hardly effected him or he wouldn't have been able to cuck Emma's husband so successfully. So half pay, a reasonable brain and education – then there is no excuse, I've got to say there is too much of that today with half pay retirements, starting to make exchequer payments unsustainable and future gov't correction will tend effect those (like the maimed) who really need pension and support. Politics out of context for Drydock but consideration of historical circumstance does effect future considerations.
How effective was the RN blockade in WW2 ?
How much and what type of material did Germany receive through "neutral" nations including USSR prior to June 1941 ?
re mascots? norwegian navy ww2? Bamse?
Interestingly, I exchanged a couple of emails with Mr Reeman in the early 2000s. I sent an email to him via the publisher and surprisingly(to me) he responded rather promptly with a nice follow up. We went back and forth a couple of times about his books and upcoming projects. He seemed a genuinely nice guy and shared some of the titles and plot lines of his upcoming books. I like him and and his books.
41.00 Wasp probably would have finished off almost any carrier
Where was USS Wasp in May 1942 ?
Pearl Harbor
wrt saving/extending the life, of Titanic. Given the sort of damage she is assumed to have suffered: hull plates stove in and seams opened. the best measure would be collision mats. Lacking that, I wonder how many large tarpaulins and hatch covers were in ship's stores, that potentially could be combined to make a facsimile of a collision mat? Apparently, if the leaks could have been stemmed in two compartments, the ship could have stayed afloat.